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@ -31,9 +31,15 @@ some talked about the color theory of red, i imagine for the express purpose of
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The rest told them to open their god damn eyes, it looks like a trail of blood.
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these are my 2 favorite books. Douglas Hoffstadter presents a theory, that thoughts in general are a process of forming and refining categories. A child has a concept of self, then distinguishes a separate concept for others, then eventually might recognize "my mommy" vs "other mommys", then define an adult woman independently of any offspring... he puts it way better, obviously.
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but the point is, you form a category around its exemplar, then distill its traits and refine the category to something more useful that better reflects the world in front of you.
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this is why I would love to push the term "wolfendoom" for that genre.
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this is my favorite book. Here's a bit from it.
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> the list above-
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that's, this one:
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a publication, a newspaper, all the way down to a very specific one...
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> the list above seems to be a hierarchy of generality. The top being a very broad conceptual category, the bottom some very humble particular thing located in space and time. [...] Our thought makes use of an ingenious principle, which might be called the prototype principal;
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> The most specific event can serve as a general example of a class of events.
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> Everyone knows that specific events have a vivideness which imprints them so strongly on the memory that they can later be used as models for other events which are like them in some way. Thus in each specific event, there is the germ of a whole class of similar events.
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so you experience an example, then distill its traits and refine the category to something more useful that better reflects the rest of the world.
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this is why I would love to push the term "wolfendoom" for that genre.
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Anyway. Disco Elysium. If you're not familiar.. well, turn this video off, go play it. But a quick rundown of some of the relevant information..
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This is truly a game where you build a character, in a realistic way. You wake up with amnesia - it takes a long time to learn your name (Harry), and your "skills" are talking to you as though they are someone else's voice in your head. They even talk to each other sometimes.
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@ -31,10 +31,27 @@ Fortunately, I've been able to ask others. A therapist once told me she thought
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## story 3: the worst person alive
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[//TODO: story about how vicky argues like jordan peterson]
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i've only recently heard jordan peterson argue.
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[//TODO: probably jubilee?] are you a christian? let's say, for the sake of argumentation, i am
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwk5MPE_6zE, 49:28ish - the bit with "danny", he's got a flowery shirt] Um, can you be very clear about your definition of worship again?
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[]attend to, prioritize, and sacrifice for.
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[skip ahead a bit]
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[]Okay. Do Catholics attend to Mary?
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[]Well, yes.
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[]Okay. So, do they fit that description of worship?
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[]Yes.
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[]So, you would say Catholics [...] worship Mary.
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[]Well, they might not put her in the highest, but you would put it that way.
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[]No, you just said it. Now you're taking it back.
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[ahead a bit]
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[]Let's Let's go over your definition of worship again. What's your definition of worship?
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[there's some quibbling and talking over each other, git a bit of Peterson saying "regard", so we can transition into:]
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[] How do they regard How do they regard Mary? Why are you asking me that? Because you're a Christian. You say that. I haven't claimed that. Oh, what is this? Is this Christians versus atheist? I don't know.
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irritating sophistry. A style of so-called debate for those who aren't seeking to build consensus, just arguing as a verbal dominance struggle.
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[https://classx.org/the-art-of-argument-jordan-peterson/, highlight:] prioritizing mutual resolution over winning arguments
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maybe someone should tell Doctor Peterson that that's the exact opposite of the point of arguing.
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My sister argues the same way.
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She has one principal, one value: power for her. So when she thinks she's constructed an argument that will put her on top, her one question is the only question to be answered, no matter how absurd. there was a time she recommended me to one of her business partners. when I asked for literally any information at all about this guy, she lectured me on how it's disrespectful to question her. Conversely, if I ask her any question in the slightest, she refuses to answer. I swear i could ask her what color the sky is and she'd produce a thousand words of verbal diahrrea, ending with her getting on her soap box and proclaiming some cause at me, but at no point would the word "blue" come up.
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It's maddening. In every literal sense.
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## exemplars
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[//TODO: you have the books, go look up the verses]
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these are my 2 favorite books. Douglas Hoffstadter presents a theory, that thoughts in general are a process of forming and refining categories. A child has a concept of self, then distinguishes a separate concept for others, then eventually might recognize "my mommy" vs "other mommys", then define an adult woman independently of any offspring... he puts it way better, obviously.
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but the point is, you form a category around its exemplar, then distill its traits and refine the category to something more useful that better reflects the world in front of you.
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this is why I would love to push the term "wolfendoom" for that genre.
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[pull GEB off shelf. when i say "favorite book", a thought bubble from the Vulcan Service Manual that says "wow, rude? i'm right here." try not to block the cover of GEB]
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this is my favorite book. Here's a bit from it.
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> the list above-
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that's, this one:
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[flip to 351]
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a publication, a newspaper, all the way down to a very specific one...
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[flip to 352]
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> the list above seems to be a hierarchy of generality. The top being a very broad conceptual category, the bottom some very humble particular thing located in space and time. [...] Our thought makes use of an ingenious principle, which might be called the prototype principal;
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> The most specific event can serve as a general example of a class of events.
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> Everyone knows that specific events have a vivideness which imprints them so strongly on the memory that they can later be used as models for other events which are like them in some way. Thus in each specific event, there is the germ of a whole class of similar events.
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[close book]
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so you experience an example, then distill its traits and refine the category to something more useful that better reflects the rest of the world.
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this is why I would love to push the term "wolfendoom" for that genre.
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Anyway. Disco Elysium. If you're not familiar.. well, turn this video off, go play it. But a quick rundown of some of the relevant information..
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This is truly a game where you build a character, in a realistic way. You wake up with amnesia - it takes a long time to learn your name (Harry), and your "skills" are talking to you as though they are someone else's voice in your head. They even talk to each other sometimes.
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@ -89,11 +115,10 @@ how could this happen? how is the exemplar of logic the mega-racist?
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Surely neither sky nor ZA/UM thinks racial bias is logical. logic is the opposite of bias, obviously!
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and yet... it's undeniable, isn't it?
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There's another sign. one of the items to boost your logic is a conical hat. +1 logic - why do you think these, and indeed, most hats - were invented? keeps the sun out of your eyes. Plus this one is made from straws, sounds way better for the environment than polyester or whatever. But there's more data left. Some missing pieces of the jigsaw puzzle - the setting of the game is not earth, but the same insensitive elements are at play there. Harry is a white guy. This is decidedly not a hat for a white guy. Maybe Encyclopedia could have told us about specific events. Maybe empathy would have let us intuit the offense people would suffer.
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[//TODO: what'd sky say?]
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6rRDv0GfQk] The implication of that skill reflects measurehead's essence in a grotesque irony. Being logical does not make one right.
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All the skill exemplars represent being in too deep. Cuno's half light is easily outmaneuvered by the adult in the room. Garte, as volition, gets no part in any of the interesting stuff. I'm pretty sure there's no way for you to pay him what you owe, so he's been manipulated into doing what you want for your benefit, instead of his own.
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the game says that too much logic will cause you to lose yourself in an ivory tower, wrapped up in some chain of reasoning that completely ignores what's in front of you.
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The logical thing to do is fit more information into your theory of the world. Even if it comes from an unexpected place.
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Maybe with a sufficiently galaxy brained intellect, sufficient logic could solve everything, including morality. Realistically, you'll need some "facts &", as well.
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whatever it takes. Just remember to open your eyes every so often, or you might turn into a color theorist.
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